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Miller Dialarc 250P AC/DC

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I figured I might as well post it here. I'm in Edmonton, Alberta and have a good Dialarc 250P AC/DC for sale. It has the power factor capacitors so will run on a 50 amp breaker unless running at max. current continuously. It has 25' #1 cables with a new stinger and ground clamp, a 16' power cord and an undercarriage (wheels) under it. If someone was close I could provide some lessons and deliver it. I have it listed for $900cad. with the extras but would sell it to a forum member for $800. The cables and power cord would cost over $350.
 
#2 ·
Got my 1st Hi-Freq jolt on the cheek from one of those in a HF model. Likely last forever.
 
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#3 ·
There is always a market for stuff but the need is another matter. You could sell this to someone that wants it but shate,,,, while its not the same machine can buy new dvi for half that. Most guys that want them got them by now and a circuit could be expensive unless you might be a farmer or in the excavating biz. I would look to post on classified in particular where there would be a use/demand and somewhat where power might not be such an issue.
While that lead is some,,, would or could need more. Someone that needed it tomorrow would pay some for quality and plug and play, tested. That should be its selling point, ready to work. There is a limit to the headroom with price with these as they can be bought for what you paid for it.
 
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Any welder needs cables. You'd have to spend more than $550cad. to get an inverter with 50% duty cycle at 200 amps and it wouldn't have near the reliability of a time proven Dialarc. I'm also offering some lessons and delivery too. Remember I'm in Canada, we don't have all the cheap import inverters here. A welder repair shop here has a Lincoln Idealarc 250 for sale which is very comparable and they want $1200 for it. It has no cables, no power cord and no undercarriage. A Dialarc isn't really a hobbiest machine but can be. An inverter can be moved closer to the work easier but still needs cables or a long power cord. This machine has both. If you move an inverter closer, where do you put it, on the floor? Now I know why some forums don't allow comments on the for sale forum. If it's not a machine that appeals to you fine. What do youbgain from trying to point out what you perceive is wrong with it?? It's a perfectly good light industrial welder with proven reliabilty that will last for decades. It will run on the same breaker as a 225 amp buzz box.
 
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Pretty sure I have a buyer for it. A farmer south of me killed his Miller Thunderbolt AC 225 burning 5/32" rods on 1/2" plate. The Dialarc could burn 5/32" rods 1 after the another all day, everyday for years. I put in the ad I could deliver within a reasonable distance but he's 4 1/2 hours away. I said I could meet him part way. He was OK with that and will pay extra for my gas and time. Need to figure out the easiest way to move it from my truck to his. Of course he drives a Dodge dually so it will extra high. I asked him to measure how high his truck is. Maybe It can be transfered from truck to truck rolling it on a 3/4" sheet of plywood. I'll see if the trailer shop it's at might have a good idea. The only thing the guy wants since he's too busy to come up here is a pic. of the plug and a video of it welding so he can see and hear it working and not making any weird sounds. I'm not sure how much extra to charge for driving about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hours away. $100 maybe $150? He mentioned something about transferring funds but I think I'll ask him to just bring cash. It's just easier and less hassle. I don't want to drive there and then have to confirm payment before it's loaded in his truck. I had a couple people on another forum telling me how transformers are just big loud dinosaurs and inverters are so much better. I'll never get anywhere close to $900 and you get a cheap Chinese inverter for less money. They weren't considering the cables and power cord are worth over $350 and you'd them with any machine. There's no $500 inverter that's going to last 50 years or more. For a farm shop it will be a great welder. I just hope the guy is serious. I don't want to drive that far and then have the guy start haggling on price or finding something to complain about. I think he's genuine though. Would be great to sell it and make a few bucks.
 
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Best of luck, Dave. That'd be a great machine for a farm shop. Going from an Thunderbolt AC225 (I have many hours on one) to an AC/DC machine, especially a nice one like that, he'll be sitting in high cotton. Going from a Thunderbolt AC to a DC machine is huge.
 
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I had the HF version. A real powerhouse, I think 310 AC. I used mine only for TIG, but tried it a bit on stick, A sweet stick machine.
 
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#11 ·
The guy's buying it but is a royal PIA. He expects to meet him 2 hours away and thought $100 extra was a too much. He said he had to drive 2 1/2 hours. So, I could have told you drive 4 1/2 hours here if you really wanted it. I said I'd want cash and he was worried he couldn't use it a business expense. Then he says he'll have to trust me it's a good machine because I couldn't send a video longer than 3 seconds on my phone. I'm going out of my way to accomodate him. I found a friend to go with me. I don't want him trying anything like trying to pay less than the $1000 we agreed. I said I'd throw in a 50lb. can of rods. He's wondering if they're good. I didn't have to throw them in. I felt like saying if you want the welder you'll have to come here and get it. We need to move it from my truck to his. He has no concept how much 400lbs. is. I said maybe call a farm equipment dealer there in advance and ask if the could move it with a forklift. He says or maybe they'd have a strong guy that could move it. It's %$#@ 400lbs. It falls and gets damaged, you bought it. Almost not worth the trouble. Ever run into a buyer like this?
 
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" I said I'd want cash and he was worried he couldn't use it a business expense " - red flags here , I would skip on this unless he comes to your place , I think he's jerking you around too much
 
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#14 ·
There are people every transaction is a contest. They have to win. In every case, they need to pay less, get more, or at least make you jump through hoops. I usually end a negotiation as soon as I identify this person. Sometimes I don't identify an a$$ until I'm in too deep. Got one right now, generator customer from Florida has property inherrited from his in laws. Agreed to the deal in October, I warned everyone would have to move quickly, I had 8 others to install before cold weather. He sent a deposit three weeks later. We set the stand, dug ditches, including for the gas installer November 2nd.

He is a pest! Every blip on his security cameras he was contacting my son. Because he is a pest, I didn't mind his contacting my son. They spoke, texted, or emailed 10 or more times between us setting the generator, ready for gas connection. We do not involve ourselves with gas connection, inform customers in writing at the onset. This one, we did dig ditch to speed up the process. November 2 through mid February, lots of contact him wanting to know when it would be functional. Seth responded waiting for gas connection. His gas supplier is worst we have ever dealt with. By February, the gas supplier said there installer was NOT going to be able to do it. They were passing it to a sub contractor.

The sub contractor complained about everything! There was snow in the ditch, he needed to see the bottom of the ditch.
I shoveled his snow.
The ditch didn't go far enough. It needed to extend past the generator three feet.
We went back, smashed through frozen ground 18" deep to dig past the generator. I did not get this, logically a regulator belonged en route to the machine, due to snow & being 2 feet below grade ground wasn't frozen there. We used cut off saw & digging bar, two men, three hours to dig the demanded ditch under the generator. Knowing he would then demand a post, we set him a post with mounting spacing & hardware to mount his regulator.

Four more messages from the owner to say he couldn't make the final gas connection 100 feet away until we were done with our work. Couldn't risk us damaging his connection.

We finished, gas installer finished.

Customer called me in a rage; I should have notified him in writing it was ready for gas connection on November 2.
I responded: "You contact Seth every blip on your security camera, you certainly saw the generator in place November 2 & every day after. You frequently want status updates. Can you say you didn't know you were ready for gas?"

He isn't interrested in any of that. He isn't going to pay agreed price for installation.

I can go to court. I can file a lein. Truth is I can't get paid. I can "encourage" him.

He can pay in full, or worry how I will retaliate. He has three cameras, I know where they aim.
 
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#15 ·
Cash isn't an issue as long as you hand him a receipt... I do this lots. Under $1k isn't much of a business expense to lose anyway...
 
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#17 ·
CRA will allow a certain amount of cash purchases with no receipt as business expenses.

The buyer would need to check with his accountant.

Dave needs to walk away from this particular " buyer". All the warning signs are there.
 
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That's along the same lines. The guy buying the welder thinks I'm inconveniencing him because he has to drive 2 1/2 hours. I could have told him to drive 4 1/2 if he wanted it bad enough. Would have been a lot less hassle to sell it for $100 less and the buyer comes and picks it up.
 
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I'm sure he wants it. He just seems to think it's up to me to do all this crap for him. What I am sure about is the welder works good. I've got 1 or 2 guys to go with me. I'll call him tomorrow and confirm the time to meet and the price. I'll pick up a bill of sale from the vehicle registry. Maybe the guy has no concept of how buying and selling used stuff works.
 
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Delivered the welder today. The guy was better in person. 45 minutes after I got home he texted me he hooked the old lady up and it welded like a dream. Hope it lasts. I responded it should last a lifetime. Awesome. Thanks for your time Dave. Can't get better than that. Didn't seem like that far away but was about 1 3/4 hours driving. Burned a little less than a 1/4 tank of gas (132L tank). Made about $550 profit. 2 welders in a couple month's made about $850. It sure helps.
 
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