View attachment 1745584 The old tip is probably near 20yrs old, so that may make a difference. But.........it seems as if they've changed the design. Smaller preheat holes. Called the guy, and he said they will work fine, not to worry............. Dunno..........

This is a 6290-2 meant for up to 2" plate. I just can't see how those tiny little holes will provide enough flame. The old ones had larger holes. Or maybe not(shrug), the old tip's been cleaned a time or two over the years(shrug). It's pretty much past the time of cleaning anymore..........it lived a good life.

They're not aftermarket. I only buy genuine Harris tips. (yeah.......buys a couple of tips in 20yrs) I also had them send me a 6290-1 for thinner stuff.

Is it possible that the one with bigger holes is a higher preheat tip? That would really be the only reason I could see with the same rated #2 tips.

 

Hell, I dunno..............they're both the same part number, with the same specs(shrug). Maybe I'm worrying about nothing. I hate to fire up the new one, find that it sucks, and can't return it because it's been used.

I feel like you do. The bigger holes HAVE to put out higher heat I'd think.

 

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The old tip is probably near 20yrs old, ...
This is a 6290-2 meant for up to 2" plate. I just can't see how those tiny little holes will provide enough flame. The old ones had larger holes. Or maybe not(shrug), the old tip's been cleaned a time or two over the years(shrug). It's pretty much past the time of cleaning anymore..........it lived a good life.

I have Harris tips, including that one [6290-2], that are close to fifty years old. Want me to mike the holes in mine, just for comparison? Mine still looks like-new, less staining on the outside.

FWIW, I still have a Glossy-colored hardbound Harris catalog from that era; need any of it scanned and posted here? :waving:

 

Cool:cool2: Maybe I'm just a doddering old fool. No need for the catalog,, just see what size cleaning tip fits the preheat holes. Thanks!

 

I never file a tip, just clean the holes with a tip cleaner.

 

Maybe that's how they are maintaining heat with the smaller holes? More focused into the center? Fuel saving concerns over the years?

 

They're owned by ESAB now..................... Probably messed up the original design. They don't think so good across the pond:laugh::jester:

 

But I do like ESAB rods

 

Well... at some point you are just going to have to try it out. Who knows... maybe you'll like it better...

 

Harris is owned by Lincoln. ESAB ended up with and destroyed Victor. I think you have just opened up the holes with cleaning over the years. No matter. The new tip will likely perform fine. If not, Take it back.. Harris tips are the least complicated tips on the market to produce so don't be afraid to try aftermarket tips for half the cost.

 

For the price of the tip just try it and see what happens, you may be over thinking it. While nobody seems to like them, scientists and engineers are not dummies and there is usually a reason something is the way it is.

Could be that they have just worked out how to make things better over 20 years. Could be to do with velocity of the gas flow through the holes. Could be a number of things involving quite a bit of mathematical equations.

 

I would also like to commend you on your choice of business name. I am glad I am not the only one with a maturity level that still finds Uranus funny.

 

I used to run Harris and I can't remember ever seeing a tip that wasn't flat. Hmmmm, waiting to hear the performance.

 

I know Sam has already said he doesn't like to file them, but it wouldn't take much filing to change the configuration of that convex tip.

 

No... Every time I've tried a file on them they went total junk afterwards. I had no love for that style Harris tip, I got some that had the Victor style flat tip and had far fewer problems. I think those were Goss tips or even Victor for Harris tips. Anyway, I got rid of the Harris stuff years ago.

 

Still haven't gotten around to mic'ng the holes, or trying the tips. We're scrambling to get rid of another dozen cows on Sunday.

 

I did a google search of images & do not see a Harris tips shaped that way. I wonder what foreign supplier you got it from?

 

https://www.harrisweldingsupplies.com/

 

Looks a lot flatter in their pics.... maybe somebody is substituting aftermarkets rather than lose a sale? https://www.harrisweldingsupplies.com/harris-model-6290-2-acetylene-hand-cutting-tip-1500850/

 

The tip is engraved "Harris", but Hell...............WTF knows????????????????

 

And............it doesn't look like any Harris tip I've ever seen either.

 

I can't get a damn Harris tip at my LWS. They have some aftermarket sht that doesn't even fit the seat properly. Hardly anybody carries Harris stuff. I'm sick of it.

It's a sign of the f'n times:realmad::realmad:

Yesterday I got to WalMart to pick up some fried chicken. Only 2 checkers in the entire stinkin' store..............both have lines around 15 deep. So I go to the lousy self serve checkout, which I normally refuse to use................................the damn chicken wouldn't scan. I LEFT THE F'R SITTING ON THE SCANNER AND WALKED OUT.

So I drive clear back into town to McDonalds. Order the two cheesburger meal................'would you like to upsize that?" "NO"

I get to the pickup window, after going through the pay window...........................AND IT'S BEEN SUPERSIZED WITH A BIG DRINK. "I didn't order this" "Sorry, but it's only a few cents more" "I just got f'd at WalMart, and now you people are f'n me" "I'll get a manager" "It's only a few cents more" "I WANT MY MONEY BACK" "I hope your day gets better sir"

DAMN RIGHT IT GOT BETTER.....................I DROVE HOME AND ATE A CAN OF CHILI AT LESS THAN 1/3 THE F'N COST

Today, we got the cattle loaded, I drive to Tulsa, unload them, and stop at Arby's on the way back. F'N COLD SANDWICH.

I'm fed up with this stinkin' society.

 

And why was I in stinkin' town on Saturday...............................to buy some 11ga 1x1 square tubing. EIGHTY F'N DOLLARS FOR TWO 20FT STICKS. "Steel futures are in the crapper, what gives?????" "Oh, this is old stock that we bought when the price was high" WHAT IN THE F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And these guys rant, and rave, about how the govt is giving everybody money for nothing.............inflation is because of govt handouts..............nobody knows how to work for a living...............................Bottom line..........these guys are worse than what they're cryin' about. It's ok if they rip you off, but everybody else is "scamming" the system. Buncha azzhats.

 

I use a Harris torch at work, same tips as Sam's. My lws carries Harris style types made by Victor. I haven't noticed a difference between those and the Harris ones. The other welding supply carries Harris tips, but like mentioned, I can't tell a difference.

 

my apologies to sammm but i don't see a point in starting a new thread.

does anyone know if Air Liquide / Blue Shiled torches are "Victor type"?

i want to buy a oxy/propane rosebud for my torch mixer handle.

this is the only make torch i've had since i was 15 and not at all familiar with any others.

i couldn't find a definitive answer online

 

It might help if you could find the model number on the handle and post it here. Members then could find the appropriate parts online and you could use that information to buy the correct parts from wherever convenient.

 

The Victor tips are either a 3-101-# or 1-101-#. # being 00, 0 , 1,2,etc, for size of tip. The 3 or 1 at the beginning is for medium duty or heavy duty.

 

is the 101 a propane designation ?

 

I'm not sure, but according to this old thread, they may not be the same, depending on age.
https://weldingweb.com/vbb/threads/633951-Is-that-a-Victor-cutting-torch

Newer ones are sold as Victor style....
https://www.airliquide.ca/torch-han.../torch-handle-victor-style-heavy-duty/product/A1316586?skuRepositoryId=A1316586

 

good threads. thanks!

i recall now that my torch was an Airco now Concoa who made these for air liquide / Blue Shield.

my heavy duty Blueshields were Victor style but this older AL is not.

 

That is the Air Liquide logo, and from that thread it sounds like the 3 tube configuration was an older style, so that makes sense.

 

My torch is a Harris, but was sold as a Sears/Craftsman 20-25yrs ago.

I have a 3 tube mixer, and an identical mating setup for the rosebud as Lis

 

I thought the Harris setup used 2 o-rings while the Victor used one.... does that take 1 or 2 o-rings at the base of the rosebud?

 

i found this NOS air liquide heavy duty cutting attachment and torch on marketplace.

the nozzle end is still capped and still has the plastic wrapping on the cutting torch's O2 lever.

$50cdn (about $37usd)

i already have a small stash of welding, cutting and scarfing tips to fit.

i will take SweetMK's suggestion and use a really big O/propane cutting tip instead of trying to find the appropriate propane/alternative fuel rosebud.

the plan is to keep this torch dedicated for oxy-propane heating.