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Pictures, your the first person to get one. I'm sure others are waiting for your review to decide on buying one. No pressure.

I'm sure it will run .030" of .035" just fine too, but , sometimes life gets in the way of welding.

good luck
 
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Yes…pics will be included when I get to use it. I got it out of the den, and put into my tiny shop yesterday. When my .045 wire gets here, I hope to set it up to do both stick and flux core. I don’t have any gasses on hand yet, so no shielded MIG yet. I’ll try to get a few pics as soon as I can…like they say, a picture is like a thousand words, so…
 
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Oh, by the way…..earlier post, I mentioned duty cycle at 285 amps. The chart with it says 100% duty cycle at 145 amps for 240v power, which will cover most of what the average work most wleders will do, and 100% duty cycle at 66 amps for 120 v power. This is a dual voltage unit. The manual says it will weld 5/8” steel at a single pass, and of course thicker steel one can use more passes.
 
Of course you can weld 5/8 steel with 1 pass,,, it will be a little pass and that little fugger wont make a 5/8 weld in a pass. Well maybe 2 if ya really pile it up.
I can't speak for the Primeweld unit, but I wouldn't be surprised if it could do 5/8ths. BUT that will likely be in spray mode. If I set my welder for anything quarter inch or more, it defaults to spray mode.
 
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Yep, the limit for single pass is 1/2 inch according to Miller. Duty cycle is 230 A at 60%, 260 A, at 40% and 350 amps at 15%. She's got some sack.
I suppose that means to do a 5/8” weld one would have to crank that Primeweld MIG 285 up to 250 amps, but would likely have maybe a 40% duty cycle on that setting?
 
I suppose that means to do a 5/8” weld one would have to crank that Primeweld MIG 285 up to 250 amps, but would likely have maybe a 40% duty cycle on that setting?
I don't know, but I do know I don't think I would use hardwire MIG to weld something that was a half inch thick or more. I would be switching to dual shield flux core or even 7018 stick rods. Just because it says it can do it doesn't mean you should.
 
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I don't know, but I do know I don't think I would use hardwire MIG to weld something that was a half inch thick or more. I would be switching to dual shield flux core or even 7018 stick rods. Just because it says it can do it doesn't mean you should.
I use Flux core mostly. Why use gas, when you can get the strength and produce a quality weld with flux core wire…and I also like stick welding. I suppose it depends on what is required if one is welding inside a plant for repairing indistrial equipment.
 
I weld a 2 inch bar hard wire the other day. You can weld unlimited thickness with hard wire. Main reason not to is wires are normally small from small machines with a cool gas with slow deposit and some concern for lack of fusion. It's about as good as 7018 and doesn't have storage issues.
They even make it in several flavors,,higher shock versions etc.
Some of the core wires have limitations on thickness and passes.
 
I use Flux core mostly. Why use gas, when you can get the strength and produce a quality weld with flux core wire…and I also like stick welding. I suppose it depends on what is required if one is welding inside a plant for repairing indistrial equipment.
I am not sure I understand your comment and if you are agreeing with me or not. I am talking about E71T-1 types of wire, not E71T-11. There's a big difference between the two.
 
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I am not sure I understand your comment and if you are agreeing with me or not. I am talking about E71T-1 types of wire, not E71T-11. There's a big difference between the two.
Gotcha…I might have typed the numbers wrong on that wire. I meant what is comparable in class to the Lincoln E71T-11 MP211 innershield wire that I have on my MM215 at present.

I’m open to your explanation of the difference, and apologize for the mistake. I am here to learn, and very much appreciate you and others taking a moment or two to help me, and steer me in the right course of this welding thing! Most here are way more experienced, and way more knowledgeable than I am! Thanks, Louie!
 
E71T-1 wires are a type of flux cored wire that requires the use of shielding gas. These wires produce weld that is similar in properties to using a fresh 7018 rod or one right out of the oven and the finished weld bead generally has better mechanical properties than regular flux core wire: that is to say low levels of diffused hydrogen, more resistant to cracking, higher ductility and are charpy v-notch rated (i.e., tougher welds). If you ever get the chance to use an E71T-1 type wire (commonly called dual shield, outer shield, etc.) they burn a LOT hotter than E71T-11 (NR-211) type wires, and in my experience they penetrate better than wires like NR-211. The wire has to be designed to use gas, you can't just add gas to a wire like NR-211. It actually will make the NR-211 more brittle.
 
Gotcha…I might have typed the numbers wrong on that wire. I meant what is comparable in class to the Lincoln E71T-11 MP211 innershield wire that I have on my MM215 at present.

I’m open to your explanation of the difference, and apologize for the mistake. I am here to learn, and very much appreciate you and others taking a moment or two to help me, and steer me in the right course of this welding thing! Most here are way more experienced, and way more knowledgeable than I am! Thanks, Louie!
To further expand on what Louie said:

E71T-1/E71T-1M are both electrodes designed to use an external shielding gas to protect the weld puddle which forms a protective slag covering to protect the solidified weld. This is why they are commonly called dual shield flux core electrodes. They can be used to make single or multi-pass welds and when used with Argon or Argon mixes they create higher strength weld deposits than CO2 shielding gas alone. Some of the elements in the flux for this type of electrode gets transferred across the arc and into the puddle to add silicon and manganese to the weld deposit. These are called alloying elements and they act to strengthen the weld metal. Although if oxygen is present in the puddle (such when welding over rust or using 100% CO2) they will act as a deoxidizer instead of strengthening the weld.

E71T-11 is a self shielded electrode which requires an atmosphere of oxygen and nitrogen (normal air) to produce sound welds. The flux is now providing the protective atmosphere for the weld metal when it reacts with air instead of enhancing the alloy content like a dual shield electrode. The main difference for this flux compared to dual shield is it uses aluminum and magnesium to remove oxygen and nitrogen in the weld. These elements are transferred across the arc where they react with any free oxygen and nitrogen in the puddle and form part of the slag. They do not provide any strengthening of the weld like silicon and manganese do but they are much stronger at removing oxygen and nitrogen. This means there is less room in the wire for the manufacturer to add alloying elements that would strengthen the weld. This electrode is also usually limited to a single pass weld up to 3/4" thick steel since there's not enough alloying elements present to prevent dilution of the weld metal with multiple passes and thicker material would cool the weld too fast. The extra deoxidizers in the flux can also accumulate over multiple passes and further weaken the welds.

While multiple electrodes may all have the same ultimate tensile strength (70,000 psi in this case), that does not mean they have the same notch toughness, elongation %, yield strength or final weld composition. Tensile strength is not the end all be all of determining weld metal performance.

The fumes generated by flux core is also a health concern when using self shielded electrodes indoors because of how much gets generated by the reaction between the flux and the air. I wouldn't weld indoors with self shielded without a good fume extractor or respirator, dual shield you probably don't need to worry unless the weld area is pretty small.
 
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Wow! What a wonderful explanation and technical knowledge of wires. I am so appreciative of you guys…..this single thread is worth my joining this forum, not discounting others, as they have been so helpful as well. You guys are the best!!! I am glad I have this info to refer to, and you can be certain I will from time to time.

I understood what was written, and got a body of knowledge on what dual shield flux core actually does and adds strength and ductility to the weld. Welding, I have found is not a simple thing….it is specialized in many aspects, and having the guys here are like having a good friend who knows whats going on watch over your shoulder, and keep you on the right course.

Thank you so much!!!
 
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