I don't think it is suited for 6010. From some reports I got.

 

Another question. Other than being required for code work, what is the advantage of 6010 over 6011? If one had a welder that could weld 6010, and it was not code work, which one would you use?


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All them small 200 or less amp machines, even if they can/could run 6010 the don't run it to well, find a used 304 xmt or Invertec 350 more like what the kid would run into in the real world, and can be found for well under a grand in good condition, and will run circles around the homeowner versions of all the blue red yellow green machines and their tough machines that are somewhat easy on voltage needed to run them

 

I only have 240 volt 1 phase outlet. Will either of those machines run off that and are they good for TIG?



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Yes and very good tig, DC only. The Miller is better for Tig, as is with the lift arc. Stick, about equal with the Lincoln having more amps if gouging would be used.

 

Yes they are nice tig welders as MJD said^^^and you can hook up a wire feeder and do mig their just nice do all machines and do it well,

 

if you really want to stick weld, go find a nice, used Lincoln Idealarc 250 (the round top style with infinite amperage adjustment, not the cracker box units with tapped amperage settings). Around here they can usually be had for $100-300 pretty easily. One of the nicest stick welders ever made. And it will run fine of off 240v single phase.

 

I found what you described for $229. It is AC only. That won’t use 6010 but how about 6011? That is what I am interested in using. And how about 7018?


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No, go for the AC/DC model, you will be much happier. Miller dialarc is a similar unit if you can find one of those instead.

 

An XMT304 for under $1000 is pretty rare in my neck of the woods. Lincoln Idealarc, Miller dialarc, Airco, and Linde 250amp AC/DC stick welders are all commonly found for a couple hundred dollars. If catch a deal , you can get a bunch of extra's with it like Electrodes, cables, C-clamps, grinders etc... You just have to be patient, keep you r eyes open , and be ready to buy when you see one.

Good luck

 

How about this Linde heliarc for $350? Needs new tig torch. 500 amps. Obviously I won’t weld with that. AC/DC. Phase 1 power. What do you think?


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personally I would pass. If it breaks, fixing it will be very difficult. In the Lincoln Idealarc, there are virtually no electronics other than the rectifiers. There is very little that can go wrong inside an Idealarc, which is why you always see them on Craigs List...they just don't die.

 

In my area, a clean used Idealarc AC/DC 250 or Miller dial arc 250 will run $500+.
A used xmt350 or invertec v350 will set you back $1500. You will need to also buy an external wire feeder or a suitecase to run wore off the xmt or invertec but it is an option that you don't get with an Idealarc or dial arc.
What do you have for a power supply to run these welders?

 

Power supply is 240 volt 50 amp single phase. I have a Lincoln 140 MIG welder for thin stuff, so I don’t need a MIG option. I want to be able to run 6010/6011 like it is supposed to run and have TIG capability. Cost is an issue because I do it for fun, not a living.


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The dial arc and ideal arc 250 machines will require 80 amps of 230v power if you want to run them at max output.
You should be able to get away with most welding operations with your 50 amps of 230v power however.

 

The older 230v/50amp transformer based welders would serve you well, cost very little, and aren't often needing repair. I know that the thunderbolt will run up to 5/32" E6010/E6011 very well. Welding tips and tricks has an episode on how to use as a simple DC tig welder also. Any of the following units should be available for a reasonable price used , and I think you will be happy when you try running 6010/6011 on these units. If you go with anything bigger(idealarc 250,dialarc) you'll have to upgrade you service to get any more out of them than these machines. I think century, and airco both made something similar to these, but I don't know for sure.

hobart stickmater 235/160, miller thunderbolt 230/150, lincoln 225/125 , dayton 225/130

 

if you are going to spend 350 here are some options in our area

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/d/saint-louis-welder-230-ac-dc-stick/6834223129.html

https://lincoln.craigslist.org/tls/d/lincoln-hobart-stick-welder/6854318814.html

not sure what part of the country you are in jeffrey, but you might check facebook/marketplace too

 

here ya go this would be perfect!!!!

https://offerup.com/item/detail/647383933/

 

I tend to disagree, if his son wants to practice for work, that homeowner level model would not be my choice.

As stated by others, idealarc, Dialarc, invertec, etc. Industrial machines.

My Lincoln Invertec v250-s is an excellent welder for all types of stick and tig.

The newer version is the v275.

 

The Linde welder is now my new interest. He says it needs 100 amp service. My outlet is only 2 feet from the main panel so upgrading wire should not be too hard. Is the broken TIG gun going to be hard to replace in case I want to start TIG welding?



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The dial arc and ideal arc 250 machines will require 80 amps of 230v power if you want to run them at max output.

True, but that is handled with a simple breaker upgrade. Per the owners manual, it only requires 6 gauge conductors if it is a dedicated welder circuit. I am pretty sure his 50 amp, 240 volt circuit already has 6 gauge wiring, so its no big deal to run this welder.

 

I am partial to these if you can get them for the right money: https://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/d/freehold-lincoln-welder/6841408418.html

If not, you could always try one of these on their 1 year risk free trial/money back guarantee. It looks to be a copy of the Miller Thunderbolt someone mentioned above. https://www.harborfreight.com/weldi...ers/commander-stick-industrial-welder-225a-ac-150a-dc-230-volt-input-63620.html

 

The MILLER XMT 304 are great machines. We have a bunch of the MILLER CST 280 which we use all the time for pipe 6010 and 7018. I have one of them too and are single phase and run fine on a 50 amp breaker. Remember with these larger capacity machines you have almost 100 % duty cycle too. These better machines are usually hard to find, they are bought once and that's it, no need to buy again.

 

i have one like that louie, mine has less bird poop and fewer cob webs lol - im in the process of repainting mine

 

regarding the linde, my neighbor has one, its a fanless mig for autobody shop work so it doesnt stir up dust, its been ok for him but if it breaks good luck getting parts, that would be my only negative on it.

And Dave i get it, if he is going to be practicing for work he might need a little more UMPHhhhhh on the dc side but if they are working on a smaller budget it might be good for practicing until he gets some $$$ saved up. Not that he has added TIG in the picture, thats pretty much out the window. I thought we were just doing stick.

 

First priority: low price.
2nd: Beefy enough to properly run 6010
3rd: TIG capability
4th: Aluminum TIG
Not needed: MIG.
The Linde has all that for $350 asking price but won’t be available till next week so I am still shopping.
I do like the refurbished invertec for $895 with free shipping. It has a 3 year warranty and should be reliable, portable and not take up 1/2 my garage like the Linde. Downside is higher price plus tax and no aluminum TIG.


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lol yea the linde will be a beast, low price it fits, you dont need beefy to run 6010, just DC ability, TIG..........well there are ways to add that to others but since the linde has it built in, not such a big deal, aluminum tig........i dont know much about and why the linde would not run it, I thot flame/rod determined what you could do Tig on so I will let someone else chime in there.

You know you could get a compact box for this that is new that would work - when you say for work, and practice, what are you going to be doing at home vs at work? Practicing on a different machine and different metal is a different experience and will take some adjusting because no two welders are the same just keep that in mind. You can get the general idea and how to adjust and what to look for so dont get frustrated when switching around. IF you dont need HIGH AMPS at home and not going to be doing production work at home its kind of a moot point. A new machine might that could do all might be the way to go?

 

why dont you just stick weld the aluminum like this, dont need tig - https://weldingweb.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1699891&d=1554085306

 

This is my latest find for$760

This is what is posted about it:

“I am selling this lincoln tig welder with water cooler. The welder still works but it lost the high frequency to start the arc. I can still weld stainless steel with it by touching the metal to start the arc but I cant weld aluminum anymore without the high frequency. I havent had time to look for replacement parts but it can easily be fix if you have time to play with it. These welders are extremely reliable when everything works.”

Is the part about easy to fix true? He says it comes with leads and torch.


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Whenever I see" easy fix" I shy away. If it was an easy fix, why not fix it and get top dollar. With that being said, a lot of times it is a point adjustment causing hf not to function.